Ironically, my more popular posts are ones furthest from my passion and core interests. They are larks—never intended to go viral. This is about one of them…
Apart from family, I typically steer clear of religious topics. I identify with a mainstream religion, but it is completely beside the purpose of Lifeboat Foundation, and it is a personal affair.[1]
Yet, here we discuss a religious topic, after all. Let’s get started…
Question
Do atheists agree that the fact that we can’t understand
quantum physics is at least somewhat evidence of Allah?
An Objective Answer
Do you assert that a failure to understand something is evidence of God?
I don’t fully understand a triple-Lutz (ice skating) or the Jessica stitch (needlepoint)—and I certainly don’t get why an electric dryer leaves moisture on light weight linens, when a gas dryer gets them bone-dry before the plush towels.
Is my inability to solve these mysteries evidence of Allah (or Yahweh, haShem or Y’Shewa)? Of course, not! It has nothing to do with God or religion. The fact that I don’t quite grasp every complex task or unexplained science is not evidence of God, it is evidence of my own ignorance.
On the other hand, I am fortunate to understand quantum physics—both academically and from an innate perspective. That is, behavior of waves and matter on a subatomic scale make perfect sense to me.
You would be correct to point out that certain quantum behavior seems to violate common sense:
- Probabilistic behavior. (i.e. Schrödinger’s cat is both dead and alive at once)
- Measure photons or electrons as a wave, and it no longer behaves like particles
- Entangled electrons (Einstein called it ‘Spooky action at a distance’)
- The EPR Paradox (entanglement experiment demonstrates causality based on future knowledge. It seems profoundly unbelievable!)
But these things only seem strange, because we do not experience them first hand given our size and our senses. As the math and the mechanisms are understood through research and experimentation, the behavior begins to fit within physical laws as we understand them. Then, we can extrapolate (predict) other behaviors.
For example, as we begin to understand quantum mechanics, we can design a computer, an encryption mechanism—and eventually a teleportation system—that exploits the physical properties and laws.
1 I do not appreciate the outreach of evangelism. In my opinion, religious discussion is best amongst a like-minded community.
An argument against Evangelism
This isn’t a rant against personal faith. It is a rant against the idea that you should ‘push’ your views on unrelated individuals, especially strangers—even if you believe that your view offers salvation.
Anyone who has lived in a home or apartment, dormed at a college or housed in the military has been approached by well-intentioned Mormons, Jehovah’s Witness, Baptists, Hari Krishna or other evangelicals. I hold nothing against such missionaries. They are marketing conscience and faith in what they see as an act of love. Unfortunately, society is worse off for this type of love. They are horribly misguided. They mean well and they may have the inside track on creation, but their understanding of equality and civil liberties is naïve.
Is this a position of Intolerance? — Quite the opposite!
Even in far off lands, instant communication, air travel and nuclear weapons render our fiefdoms meaningless beyond the realms of taxation, defense, and road repair. We live in a pluralistic melting pot. The shrinking planet demands that we coexist. I have always felt that the only thing of which we can be intolerant is intolerance itself.
So, why do I shun religious outreach? Because, arguing that your book is better than mine can only be won on faith—and faith is both personal and unprovable. Sure, tolerance is often built on religious ideals. To function as a society without killing each other, tolerance is a necessity. But, tolerance and humanity are also built into the Golden Rule and every democratic constitution. Any attempt to persuade others to adopt your core beliefs about origin, doctrine or blasphemy is pointless and an affront to everyone elses’ beliefs.
Whew! It took courage to get that off my chest. I hope that my friend, Hiawatha Bray forgives me.
What about the contradiction between science and religion?
I have never seen any contradiction. Only someone who believes that the Earth was created in the past 6,000 years ago sees a contradiction. That belief is as goofy as the sun orbitting the earth.
If there is a God, then I suppose it explains the energy and matter that surrounds us. And if this is the case, he followed up by proclaiming the finely tuned natural laws of physics and biochemistry, and set everything in motion. Oh rejoice in his splendor! Because, after billions of years, life arose—and we are the interim products of an expanding universe. It’s awe-inspiring, but it certainly presents no contradiction.
I don’t consider myself an atheist. And despite offering an agnostic explanation of the universe, my religion is my business and not yours. But, I certainly believe in science! I side with Bill Nye and the late Carl Sagan (he was my former professor). No one with a sense of their surroundings and an appreciation for facts can ignore that the Earth and the universe have existed for billions of years.
We may be the product of an intelligent God, but if we are, we will never know. We lack to tools to discern the question that predates all other questions. Pointing to ancient scripture is nonsense. The scripture was written by men, seeking to explain everything that they observed in their times. Yet, these men had fewer facts about the universe than we have now. The faith that most believers associate with scripture is based on respect for the practices and beliefs of their parents.
Moreover, the men who created these book (the bibles of any religion), also created God. Why? To deal with mortality, explain tragedy, control the masses—or perhaps as a mental exercise. It may even be a byproduct of what they were ingesting and smoking.
Neil deGrasse Tyson talked of “a God of the gaps” when it comes to believing in a God. Many individuals, particularly of religious persuasion, believe that simply because science has yet to answer every question, it is a reason for believing in a theistic religion.
throughout history religions have said, see science can’t answer that question, therefore a theistic religion has got to be true; and than, suddenly science answered many of those questions, and theism simply slips on to the next unanswered question.
I don’t believe in any formal religion, but do believe there may be a reason for believing in a being number one in the universe, considering man is number one on earth; but it does not elicit a theistic religion.
Otherwise, there are reasons for believing that because all of nature and the universe can be understood by intelligent being, like humans, is because everything in nature evokes an intelligent form. If all of nature is a kind of God, ruling our lives, it has not particuarly proven to be for or against, good or evil.…But humans can be discernibly good or evil.
I suspect that we share a basic approach to understanding our place in the universe, Bennie. Although I steered clear of a term in my post, our shared philosophy is aptly called “Agnostic”. And, of course, this is not the same as atheist.
An agnostic acknowledges that there is beauty, and clever form to the universe—but there is no evidence of a creator. If, there is a God, it has not given us the tools to discern answers of the highest “chicken-and-egg” order. And if there is a God, it certainly doesn’t expect us to grovel, beg forgiveness or swear allegiance. Without informing us of our place, that would make no sense at all.
I sometimes encounter individuals who are surprised at my Agnostic and scientific perspective, because I identify with a religion (or more accurately, a culture and a family heritage). But in my book, there is no contradiction between religion and science…
Any God that I can imagine, would use natural laws (the physical phenomena that we gradually learn) to govern what we perceive. Events play out in accordance with these natural laws and not by edict, passion or miracles. Any God that I can imagine, would not be jealous, angry, petty or arrogant — and ‘he’ certainly wouldn’t accuse us of living in sin. But since Gods are just conjecture (unrevealed and an invention of Man), the existance just doesn’t matter to our present or our future. If he exists, then — just like Satoshi Nakamoto — he wishes to be left alone, rather than praised or cursed.
~Philip